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Covid: Panic or Precaution?
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hope you are doing well. You are persuaded by one reporter? What about the entire WHO who refused to declare it world health emergency 3 weeks later? When did your experts declare a world pandemic? March 11th. interesting. you seem to be influenced by one source only as well - what the WHO did or didnt do. did you see the article i sent you about the med web site STAT that started predicting this in january, as the pandemic response team also would have. they would have seen the same info that STAT did. one focused team would have yielded a more reliable result. IT WAS THEIR ONLY JOB, one that no one else was equipped to focus on. When did Trump start restricting travel with China? Feb 2. TRUE, but it doesnt take much to "force" trump to close a border. to say hes not a "fan" of foreigners would be a gross understatement. there were a lot of additional things he could have also done instead of thinking that that one act would stop everything. im sure you would have known better (thats a compliment to your research ability, not a dig). north korea closed theirs on jan 22 and ittly on jan 31. unfortunately, in ittlys case, that single act alone didnt seem to prevent the situation there, as it didnt here. How about the WHO losing their credibility when they tweeted that there was no human-to-human transfer on Jan 14 - according to Chinese authorities yes, it sure appears they surely made a mistake quoting a chinese source. but in january, when intelligence and others in the medical community were warning about this, on JAN 22, trump was saying - "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China." I have predicted around 25k deaths this year and you believe ten times as many. We will find out. yes, we will. DOCTORS fauci and birx both predicted 200,000, as did almost 20% of your readers who answered your poll. believe me, i wish to the heavens your number is more accurate and that neither you nor i are among them. i enjoy our debates. youre knowlegable, unlike many trumpers here who know nothing besides what he says in his briefings (which are part campaign speeches) and tweets. im sure you hate being viewed by others like they view them. thanx. good luck "well only get through this if we work together. if we dont, none of us will"
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4/4/2020 8:07 am |
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Big Picture - I don't believe lots of "experts," and I want minimal government. Most liberals parrot experts and believe government can solve any and all problems. I'm an apologist for capitalism and believe government gets in the way. When told that this or that expert was correct, I counter with other experts who were wrong. You are not dealing with the WRONG experts. If you are going to be controlled by experts, you need to know who to tell the quacks from the true experts. It's poor thinking to select experts AFTER THE FACT who were right and ignore the ones who WRONG. In the moment, life is pretty messy. Looking backward, you are not giving full credit to all the chaso that is society. You completely ignored St. Nancy saying everything was fine on Feb 24, completely ignored the WHO's failure to declare a pandemic until 11 days into March, but you expect Trump to have seen this pandemic on Jan 1 because some reporter, or the middle of January. Trumped acted to shut down flights from China in January and you still won't give him credit. You backhanded call him a racist when you say he doesn't like foriegners. Even after Fauci predicted 200,000 to 1.7 million deaths, you see success and I see failure. Can you tell me the assumptions that lead to only 200k deaths? Did life follow those assumptions? I don't know and I bet you don't either. Knock it off with the fired pandemic team. You don't know a damn thing about it and are making shit up. You can't even tell me how many people were on the team. For all we know, the same people are doing the same things and reporting to different bosses. Testing, testing, testing. What does it mean? It means they can tell who has the ACTIVE virus in their body. But what happens after you kill it? It's gone! You fail the test. You don't HAVE covid, but guess what, you could have had it and are now immune. If you are now immune, you can't spread it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0&list=PLQS1gzJaW_NyeIB13gpG5HcfdtG1hu5ID&index=319&t=0s How many are immune? WE DON'T KNOW!! Why don't f'ing know? The FDA didn't grant permission for antibody testing until Thursday, April 2nd. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-antibody-test.html So, all the information relating to fatality rate is opinion, a guess, but we are told and sold that they know. They know the fatality rate of those who have tested positive for the active virus, but nobody knows how many had it, so they do not know the “fatality rate” as we tend to believe it – if I catch this, what are the odds I will die. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-fatality-rates-vary-wildly-depending-on-age-gender-and-medical-history-some-patients-fare-much-worse-than-others-2020-02-26
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hope you had a safe (and socially-distanced) palm sunday. i think that while we debate, we agree on more things than you realize. as it turns out, your trivia contest over the response team rather than dealing with the ISSUE is a moot point after all. wasnt "someone else" doing "the same thing"? turns out yes. apparently, peter navarro, one of his top trade advisers was, in addition to the entire intelligence dept, was issuing warnings as early as january. problem was, trump wasnt listening to anything that threatened his little fantasy world that everything was perfect because he was such a great president. oh, and running for re-election above all else on that premise. closing the "china border" was a showy token move, possibly as a preventive measure, but equally likely a calculated "america-first" propaganda ploy. and maga trumpers sure loved it. but then blindly assuming that that was a complete and total solution without following up on nor paying attention to the unfolding situation was an impure act of egotism. as far as trumps views on navarro, fake news? no ! out of his own mouth - President Trump on Tuesday said he had not seen memos from one of his top trade advisers warning in January of the consequences of a potential pandemic, but denied he would have acted differently if he had. brave? heroic? NO, stupid and reckless. reckless with american lives. why HAVE advisors if you dont even read their reports, let alone heed their advice? so theres no point debating anymore who said what, or what resources were in place or not, its always been about why trump didnt and wont listen to anyone, and in fact argues with and contradicts any medical specialists he fears appearing inferior to. what are we, back in junior high school? bullying the "nerds" because you think being "cool" and "tough" makes you better than those who are smart? and even this week, after almost 13,000 US deaths so far, while announcing CDC recommends masks for everyone, he doesnt waste a second countering that its "voluntary" and that he "doesnt think" hell be doing it. and follows up with hed do it if he "felt it was necessary". GREAT leadership. NOT ! how many trumpers will unnecessarily infect and possibly kill even more following his "brave" leadership ? and you want to play trivia games? after the stupid bowl, trump thought kansas city was in kansas until someone (everyone) corrected him. and hes the president! give him the immigration test and see how he does. and he and his minions still call sanders "crazy" and biden "sleepy"? and him the "greatest president ever" ? i respect your research abilities and knowledge too much to believe you dont see a rotten fish in this whole scenario. i DO agree with you on this - that the testing now is only telling us where it is now and has been and not where its going to be to act to prevent its spread. tragically, had we started two months earlier, we would have had a much better chance of containing it and keeping the death toll a lot lower. but even now, as our "leader" flaunts defying medical advice, tracking its trail of death is the best we can hope for. this is one case where, as nascar drivers say, second place IS the first loser. have a good night. ttys "well only get through this if we work together. if we dont, none of us will"
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