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The Blogs They Are a-Changin'
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The Blogs They Are a-Changin' The Blog mainpage, that is.  But first, we need your input! When we brought up the possibility of a rotating active bloggers list and posted a poll, there was an overwhelming amount of support for this proposed change. In our Rotating Active Blogs List thread, there were lots of great ideas of how to address this particular issue and highlight the lesser known bloggers and their work. This is a tough one to tackle, because we want to expose great content, but allow everyone a level-playing field for garnering a wider audience. Every online platform for content currently has an area that displays a list of what posts/videos/pictures are currently trending or popular-- and these sections are constantly updated. Our blog main page highlighted users with the most comments only, but never allowed their popularity to decay, causing a static leaderboard that alienated other bloggers with an audience. After listening to your feedback, this is what we've decided would be most beneficial for all bloggers in this community, providing them a fair opportunity to build an audience and spotlight their work: Keep in mind this is still in the design process, but this is a general mockup of where we are headed: The blog mainpage will become two large columns: 1 for What's Hot/Trending Now and 2 What's New. Follow this link >>> http://04j.com.com/blog_test <<< [REMOVE THE SPACE AFTER 'ADULT' or ADDITIONAL .COM] to our Blog Sorting Experiment test to see six different sorting options for the What's Hot column. This list will update regularly; nothing will remain static. Newly submitted posts will rank higher than older, so older posts will decay over time. What we believe is necessary is leveling out the playing field-- still allowing well-known bloggers to shine, while uncovering and exposing the hidden gems in the blogosphere. Take a look at the different sorting options, and let's start a discussion about which you all feel has the best capability of exposing a variety of bloggers-- while uncovering quality content that you want to see at the same time. |
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It's not. There's a space after the word "adult". Take that out and you can see the page. Just getting my first look. Kind of a crude view, but it shows the "ranking" possibilities.
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Better to keep any reference to ranking or numbers in any form whatsoever out of the rotation. The reason behind the rotation was to wean bloggers/commentors from their obsession over the rankings. It's better to come up with a more random algorithm like the one you use for the roulette that's above the ranking list right now. Just the blogger's pic, post title are all that should be showing. Stay away from showing any numbers unless if it's in the title of the post or it's the date of posting. Keep the rotation random. If you find a way to include popular bloggers in the list, that opens a path to manipulation, which defeats the purpose. A formula's been worked out how to manipulate the rankings as it is.
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The link isn't working....but paste it anyway in a new tab...then manually delete the space and it will work. So we are to choose one of the six options??? I'll be back when I've thought about whether it's possible to manipulate any of them lol!!!!! Initial thoughts are:- 1. That it is always possible to boost the number of commenters by the use of fake profiles. 2. You may encourage speed blogging to stay on the list. 3. I rather like the option 2...length of post and length of comments because that shows that the post has generated enough interest to spark some interaction. But that is just my initial reaction. ~~Anais Nin~~
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As I log in through Passion, the com is twice in the link: >>> http://04j.com.com <<< When removing it, I see something. But why 'length of posts and/or comments', that makes no sense!!! Length is no kind of criteria of a good post etc! Must say, quite confused after seeing what I saw  Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles  Squirter's life
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"Quality" blogs need no encouragement from a ranking position in a popularity contest.
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My personal problem with this is that I really believe there is value in 'popular' content. If it's drawing eyes and generating activity, there's a place for it to be visible-- but anyone, regardless of how many comments they receive, should have the ability to have a post become a trending post. This is in line with every major content driven site on the web right now. The important question right now is do you guys find that there is quality in these posts. This is merely a rough draft. But ignoring my personal preference, do you really mean that any post will become a trending post regardless of the comments it has (or has not) received? That sounds unfortunately similar to the rubbish "What's Hot" feature, where I'm presented with photos that nobody thinks are hot but are relatively recent. What happened to the randomized list of active blogs that you yourself put forward in the previous post - you know, the one that everyone wanted? Why are you trying now to give us something that nobody asked for, is more complicated and is less desirable? ARF is not listening...
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We've also have a purely random column of posts with 0 comments. This could be put side to side with What's Trending and What's New. After a lot of discussion, we believe that surfacing quality and highlighting activity is valuable for users, especially to draw more members to the blogging community. It's not about mimicing any other site, but about giving visibility to good content. Not any post WILL become a trending post, but CAN become trending because it can garner as much visibility as someone who is ranked highly on the blogs. And why do you still refer to "someone who is ranked highly on the blogs"? Isn't this doing away with the ranking? Wasn't that the whole point?
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I couldn't care less about all this popularity crap. If you want to make some head way and improve blog usage ... insitute a blocking feature that will remove the "blockee" from the view of the "blocker" on all blog pages. That's real change. AB No Bozos
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This could be the very solution everyone is looking for. Those who already have "watchers"...will not lose those "watchers"...the only difference is that the picture and blog name will not show up on a list. You still have all your "peeps"...I still have my "peeps"...everyone here will still have the same "peeps"...right? So...I guess my question is...what's the big deal? That your picture isn't on a list? Why should that matter if you still have the same number of watchers? They will still read and respond just the same as always...you won't lose anyone...and still have the opportunity to link up to other bloggers through your own watchers! Sounds like a plan to me! Keep up the good work! Smooches!
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Do I understand these designations correctly? length of post means # of characters in the post length of comments means # of characters in all of the comments If that’s not correct, could you clarify what they do mean? Thanks 
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Did you view the different options in the link? What are your thoughts about the posts you see? "Management" seems hell-bent on a ranking scheme despite the overwhelming preference for a random selection (which would also highlight activity). You must realize that this course will do nothing to reduce blog drama. The "competition bloggers" must be very relieved. You had an opportunity to change things for the better, to provide users with something they actually wanted. That opportunity has been wasted.
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Yes, you've got it right. I think you get that this is essentially to weed out, for example, a post where comments may be, "i want u" or "hot tits" over and over in response to a hot picture. How would pictures then be counted? I mean length-wise??? Or replies with 'quote' function, both signatures on, with blings, some formating, or, when showing commentor's profile pics, and so on???? Some of those replies seem to take half a page... but the real comment is only a couple of lines. But in general, the basic idea that the post or comment length would have something to do with 'quality' is pretty absurd... Often length is just a sign that the person is not able to write clearly, KISS is a good rule (= keep it simple and stupid/short). Just to clarify: I myself am not looking for comments like 'hot tits' even if posting boob pics, they are mainly just a side line. But it's a reality that this is an adult site, sex site with cam options and so on, why do you try to weed out 'your basic function' in Blogland!!??!!! There are men who have come here for the sex, the blogger can always delete those comments or block the person herself if finding them less desired.. Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles Squirter's life
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I think I've wasted more than enough time on this. "Management" seems hell-bent on a ranking scheme despite the overwhelming preference for a random selection (which would also highlight activity). You must realize that this course will do nothing to reduce blog drama. The "competition bloggers" must be very relieved. You had an opportunity to change things for the better, to provide users with something they actually wanted. That opportunity has been wasted. Was totally confused when saw the options, was quite active in the discussion in the earlier post and now then seeing things that were not part of the discussion, more the opposite. I don't want any score for my own blog nor won't check the score of the post I'm reading. Mathematics cannot explain or evaluate writings... math is having no sense of humour, no sex, no erotic value. Let's keep calculators totally out of the Blogland. I presume the management is mainly of economic and commercial background etc, anybody taken any linquistic, human, social etc studies??? Anybody an active member on this site???? Or even checking the site occasionally??? Or just hiding behind the balance sheets... Pretty disappointed at the propositions. Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles Squirter's life
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My personal problem with this is that I really believe there is value in 'popular' content. If it's drawing eyes and generating activity, there's a place for it to be visible-- but anyone, regardless of how many comments they receive, should have the ability to have a post become a trending post. This is in line with every major content driven site on the web right now. The important question right now is do you guys find that there is quality in these posts. This is merely a rough draft. By constantly chasing what other sites do, this site is losing originality and sight of itself. Is that the goal? Simply be a copy of another "trendy" site with no personality of its own? I'd rather see a random roulette like the one above the active bloggers list or not see any changes at all. There's no point in wasting resources if you're just going to produce something that can easily be manipulated. I don't choose the bloggers I watch by popularity. I choose by blog content and the way the blogger interacts with those who leave comments. If I like what I read, it doesn't matter if the blogger has 1 or 1,000 watchers or the post gets 1 or 100 comments.
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We've also have a purely random column of posts with 0 comments. This could be put side to side with What's Trending and What's New. After a lot of discussion, we believe that surfacing quality and highlighting activity is valuable for users, especially to draw more members to the blogging community. It's not about mimicing any other site, but about giving visibility to good content. Not any post WILL become a trending post, but CAN become trending because it can garner as much visibility as someone who is ranked highly on the blogs. The kid in school who sits and looks over the shoulder at his classmates work then copies it down as his own will never get anywhere in life. The site should take a lesson from this. I'd like to see 04j.com come up with its own original ideas for things and as other members have said, the site should STOP trying to mimic others such as facebook, twitter, etc. Also why does "management" always continue to go against what members here want for the site time and time again? If they are interested in making profit don't they realise that they should try to keep members happy, not annoy and alienate them? The strength of feeling from a large section of the membership base spoke loudly and clearly that they wanted to keep profile background bling before it was removed, but "management" chose to ignore these members wishes and removed it from the site anyway. It seems to me the way this blog debate is going we are going to end up with the same result as profile background bling. Members wishes were clearly stated in your previous blog about the rotating blogs subject and "management" now going ahead and doing what ever the hell they want to do, and to hell what the members here think or want. Why do we even bother to give feedback about such things if our feedback is for the most part ignored?
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I'm a social scientist; this is what I do so I'm finding this whole process (and the surrounding dialogue) fascinating. First, I don't know that I would have chosen some of these options but I'm going to work with what we've been given. I think it bears saying that no option will make everyone happy, there will always be a fistful of users who will complain that one method or another of populating a list is unfair and/or subject to manipulation Duh, of course it is. (There is no such thing as a perfectly fair, foolproof and tamper proof system. Any of these option could be manipulated if someone was hell bent to be at the top of the heat. of course these are probably people who need to go out and do some volunteer work but that's another tale  )These lists, whether on this site, Yahoo's portal, Wikipedia's main page or any interactive site are a marketing tool that encourages a user to click deeper into the site and stay a while longer. That deeper engagement with the site will (you hope) make the user feel a deeper connection. Out of all of these I think #3, Length of post and number of commenters, is the best for this site and this site and this is why. The length of the post says that regardless of the content, it's going to be more than a closeup of genetalia and the sentence, "would you eat/kiss/lick/suck/touch/ this?" There's nothing wrong with that but if even for someone just looking for a wank, a little bit of content if better than 10 thin, repetitive posts. If people think a bunch of other people are commenting, it's going to hold their attention they are more likely to stay longer. My second place would be #4, Length of post and number of comments, for similar reasons. I prefer #3 because it shows the unique profiles that have interacted with a given post(and notice I said profiles and not people since people may have multiple profiles) while #4 shows the unique comments. It's more interesting to me as a reader if I see 10 different points of view as opposed to 2 people making 5 comments each on the same post. I'm interested to see how this plays out over the next few months.
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It didn't work for me either Aryana Become a blog watcher sweet_vm
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Aryana, thankyou to you and your colleagues for your ongoing efforts to improve our lot here. It's quite clear that you are trying to balance the need for a more hospitable blogging environment with the need for it to be commercially appealing and viable, no easy task. It is however disappointing to me at least that a ranking system will be the centre piece of the new front page, but I think the relatively short shelf life of the posts on that list could perhaps mitigate my concerns in that regard. Let's see......... Of the options you present, I think perhaps a combination involving the length of comments coupled with the number of commenters might be reasonably representative measures of what is trending, but while I appreciate that you think you have an answer to the potential gaming of these markers, I nevertheless fear that the same faces will show up over and over if these are the only markers. And on that basis I wondered if you thought it would be possible to introduce a further marker which might be based on the ratio of numbers of comments to the number of views which would perhaps be triggered when the total number of comments reaches a predetermined threshold? Surely the higher the ratio the more interactive that blog post is, and as such would that not qualify it as a trending post? (This assumes that responses to comments are included in the comments count as are quotes to comments - I think they are at present, though not 100% sure?) Any other views on this last suggestion would be welcome, it has only just occurred to me, so I'm quite happy to discuss potential pitfalls with it if others think it's a daft suggestion.
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The word 'trending' no longer means popular in the online space. A trending topic is the theme, focus, or subject matter of current, real-time conversations on blogs and on social bookmarking sites. Trending topics are constantly changing -- and they don't always come from the most watched bloggers. The problem you guys presented to us was that there exists a leaderboard on the mainpage that by design, is self-perpetuating. Bloggers with the most comments gain the most visibility, with their commenters/watchers growing exponentially. The solution to this is not cut-and-dry. When posed with this question, we have to look at what solution best eliminates, to the highest degree possible, the 'blog wars' created by this, but also benefits the entire community on the site as a whole in the long-term. We're eventually going to be highlighting Blog and Group activity into the newsfeed, which will draw a larger audience to this section of the site. With more attention drawn to the blogs, we want unfamiliar members to have access to the most engaging content available to them. This is not a matter of who is popular -- in fact, it is quite the opposite. The different lists you see take into consideration different measures of what at that moment, in real-time, users want to know more about. Our goal is to be the source that provides information that people are looking for, without drawing eyes to the same 20 bloggers exponentially. If your biggest concern is our measures for what's trending can be gamed, you are focused on the wrong thing. We've already considered the gaming possibilities you guys have brought up here and have methods to counter-act them, which obviously cannot be shared. We believe this is a starting point for a new page that aims to engage a wider range of members by taking the focus off individual author's notoriety and placing more emphasis on good content, regardless of who that content comes from. A list of random blogs may prevent a group of bloggers right now from fighting over their rank, but it won't benefit the future of this community in the long run. With a constantly changing list of quality posts -- that will never be the same-- all members can access good content from a wide variety of bloggers at all times. This encourages more participation in a more dynamic environment, driven by quality posts, not popular bloggers.  I think this is a fair assessment of the situation, takes heed of valid feedback presented, and is realistic. I firmly believe we need some sort of sorting system other than completely random, we can already do random by going through the 'Most Recent Posts' list, the resource is already available and is to stay as I understand it, also staying is 'Newly Created Blogs' (unless something has changed that I'm not aware of ? ) If ya want completely random pick a page and stick a pin in ! The much faster decay time and consequent change in position on the various options appears to be working, ie it changes, when coupled with randomisation from the pool on system refresh too this should be sufficient to provide a dynamic rather than static resource and achieve the main objectives here. Gaming is been considered.. great ! And good news that blog activity will be included in news feed at some point. My concern is this... I can think of ways that each of the six options would favour a certain style of blog. My suggestion is this... If technically viable, include as many of the factors as possible in the calculation, then average it out. So what I am asking is if we can have a calculation which takes into account ranking for Length of Post, Length of Comments, Number of Commenters, Number of Comments - which is then averaged out (as in the 'Summary' on the Blog Test page). This would take into account the maximum number of factors and would therefore be less prone to favouring any particular style of post/blogger. The complexity of the calculation and the fact that more factors come into play would be both fairer to a wider cross-section of styles, and intrinsically more difficult to game by people tailoring their blogs to suit the system. Could be that this is too complex to install and why we are presented with the six less complex options. But in general I think we're heading in the right direction ! Of course some folks will have a moan whatever is done, despite the fact we are getting a change that so many have wanted for so long... and despite the fact that, on this occasion at least, the site has 'listened'. I think some people come here just to moan
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QUALITY So the Management now seriously want QUALITY in Blogland??? Why should Blogland be different from the rest of the site???!!! If some love twat pics and comment with 3 words, why wouldn't that be acceptable if all kinds of asshole pics with baseball bats are accepted! The money from those members is accepted without questions. And some even need to blog to keep their balls... you get what you asked for. I have already a while back suggested to the Management to create a classy sex site as that doesn't exist. Now would be again time to think about it... As the Managements seem so keen on having some quality here... Give us a new classy site  Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles Squirter's life
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As King of the Blogs (TM) (well, someone told me I was top of the trending lists earlier today) I'd like to say that I still don't like the "trending" idea. Though I'd like to reassure the top bloggers that I didn't have to "speed blog" or "comment whore" or even ask people to rate my naughty bits to get there And I have to say I didn't find being King of the Blogs to be too stressful - not once did I feel the need to threaten anyone with the ToU
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 Wonder who was talking about bullying and Tou? And who now is accusing some others of SPAMMING if more posts than someone else? That doesn't sounds too nice.  No rules have been broken, seems to me, nothing against ToU. At least when it comes to so called 'speed blogging'; of bullying don't know as haven't seen much more than this scamming accusation now here, I am one those who have no access to your blog (if that bullying and so on is there). If someone is slow, why should those who think, reply, type, take photos etc faster suffer?! A creative writer can generate a lot of thoughts with limited words. Also fast. And often. It's not excluding friendship and discussion, btw... What if someone posts at the same speed and length, are they then copycats??? We are individuals here, following our own natural way. Let it be so. No need to compare what the others do, just act naturally. This is not about competition, in any way. Focus should be on our own blog. Are some comments then less valuable? And when given by the same member in another post, more valuable? Wonder what some readers think about that... The MOST members is a BIT big expression as even the top blogger is having less than 500 comments per month out of almost 600.000 blogs... let's at least TRY to keep the feet on the ground. And note the time difference. People blog during (about) Asian, European or US day. By the time America is active, some early blogs have already disappeared from the blog main page. Less coverage, less later comments, just one option. And this coverage is something everybody should get, independend on the place and time. Let's stick to the subject. Quality, speed etc are not part of it. Nor accusing others of dirty tricks if nothing against ToU. Very harsh accusations. And totally unnecessary. Blogging should be FUN to the blogger, not a stress! Nobody will get Nobel prize from these blogs... These are JUST BLOGS ON A SEX SITE, nothing more. Not the whole life. (sorry, the spell checker is not visible...) Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles Squirter's life
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Why cant we have a list of topics people can chose from on what they want to read about? When we post we can put it in a topic we want it in. The reader can look through topics and find a topic they like. Then view all the posts in that topic that people have made for that week. Also let them chose if they want to read from a female blogger, couple, male, T or whatever Then have a list for each of posts made for that week by those categories. Theres better ways than just going by who has the most watchers and commenters or length. It is there, just not used too much... that's why I took it up in the earlier Community blog. The list just should be updated... Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles Squirter's life
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Please stay on topic. This is about the new blog main page - I was merely trying to provide reassurance that any blogger, regardless of how many watchers they have, or how prolific they might be, or how many photos they do or do not post, can get to the top of the proposed lists. You expressed a concern that your quality, but infrequent, posts would not be rewarded. It would appear that even with the new system they might be My posts and comments are not, and have never been, created to criticize or harass members who post photos (sexy or not...), and I reject that libelous suggestion. I have blocked NO members from my blog
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Here we go again !!   No chance of sticking to the point for more than a couple of pages or so then  Tell ya what, if y'all want to have a proper argument I'll open up my blog and we can do it there, everybody welcome, nobody banned, so we can have a right ol' tear up and you sling shit to your hearts content... then perhaps this post could be kept to discussion about the issues rather than individuals bickering ? Only worthwhile if the main protagonists are going to show up of course... so let me know eh ?!
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