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LadyGrayLeopard 63F
26369 posts
5/10/2013 1:36 pm

    Quoting  :


Congrats, didn't know you got a job as quality controller here

Blogs are PERSONAL, everybody is different and allowed to blog what they want and as often as they want!

There's NO reason to start to discuss the quality of blogs. What you don't like is your own business, should not be related to discussion about the lists etc!

Like I've said before: there are naturally fast people with a lot of ideas, should they then stop blogging???
If they get comments, have conversation = are high on the list, what's bad in that!!???


Some are naturally slow, nothing bad in that either.
But it doesn't say anything about the quality either...

Just like the quality is not related to the length of the blog, perfect 2-liner can be better than 2 pages.
But simple 2-liner can be totally shite... just like 2 pager...

Impossible to judge - and NO NEED TO JUDGE the QUALITY.
Leave it to readers please


At the moment the system counts 30 days. Hardly anybody comments on blogs that are not on person's first page. One to two weeks could be ok, no need for long period of time to my mind. I fear if they change the counting system (unless it's easy to do), all goes wrong again...

It's already frustrating to see on the photo gallery (those 3 photos up on the right on Blog main page), check the blog - and notice no new blogs for months. This is something I would like to avoid by keeping the time period SHORT.

Geiz, you do have time in your hands if you still have time to count the post amount too...


LadyGrayLeopard 63F
26369 posts
5/10/2013 1:45 pm

One other thing:
the blogs are divided according to language, any chance to have an option where all the bloggers, independent of the language, would be visible at one glance???

I live in Central Europe and it's not the easiest to follow - or even try to find out - non-English speaking bloggers.

So far haven't noticed any blogwars in other languages...
(but sure I don't speak all the supported languages, nor regularly follow those languages I speak).

I know this concerns only minority on this site but I also know some would love to have the chance to brush up their other languages!


FullOn4U 58M
20399 posts
5/11/2013 3:06 am

    Quoting LadyGrayLeopard:
    One other thing:
    the blogs are divided according to language, any chance to have an option where all the bloggers, independent of the language, would be visible at one glance???

    I live in Central Europe and it's not the easiest to follow - or even try to find out - non-English speaking bloggers.

    So far haven't noticed any blogwars in other languages...
    (but sure I don't speak all the supported languages, nor regularly follow those languages I speak).

    I know this concerns only minority on this site but I also know some would love to have the chance to brush up their other languages!
Go to "Browse by Location".

At the top of the page on the left will be Blogs>World>Europe>Which-ever-country-you-live-in

Click on Europe

Then you have the list of top European bloggers and the list of most recent European posts and new blogs

As SexySixties asked... would this be changed with rotation?


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
5/11/2013 6:06 am

    Quoting community:
    Thank you everyone for your comments so far.

    As of right now, there is no exact plan of what this would look like, so this is a good place to brainstorm about how a new list could function. Here is how I believe it should behave, to be most fair to all bloggers, regardless of frequency of activity:

    *There would be a singular, randomized list, no longer separated by profile gender.

    *The list would rotate whenever the page is refreshed. This would ensure that the category would not be gamed, subsequently creating another type of leaderboard (monthly leaders, weekly leaders, etc).

    *Only active blogs will appear on the list. 'Active' would mean that user has logged in within 3 months. When said user logs in again after 3 months, their blog will once again appear in rotation after submitting a new blog post.

    *Other than this rotating list, no other part of the blog main page will be touched (Watched Blogs, Recent Posts, Newly Created Blogs will remain as is.) [If there is a consensus of problems with other areas, we will look at them next.]

    What do you all think about this?
This is almost ideal Aryana, but it seems that the general preference would be for a shorter timeframe within which bloggers would be included on the randomised active bloggers list. Not sure if it's possible, but would it be better to include bloggers who have posted in the last 30 (or 60) days, rather than bloggers who have just logged on? Or is that what you meant already? Not a major issue all the same, so if it's not possible, no worries.

Thanks for listening, seems there's a fairly overwhelming majority in favour of rotation, we hope you can make it happen!


citizen4722 66M  
74582 posts
5/11/2013 1:25 pm

Maybe you could have some sort of system where whoever watches a blog must comment on one post at least of each blogger they watch (after which they will be deemed a watcher)...as in the groups?


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
5/11/2013 4:33 pm

    Quoting  :

McKof, ye took the words right oot ma mooth!! I couldn't have put it better if I'd tried.


Spirit6669 58M
2234 posts
5/12/2013 4:06 am

    Quoting community:
    Thank you everyone for your comments so far.

    As of right now, there is no exact plan of what this would look like, so this is a good place to brainstorm about how a new list could function. Here is how I believe it should behave, to be most fair to all bloggers, regardless of frequency of activity:

    *There would be a singular, randomized list, no longer separated by profile gender.

    *The list would rotate whenever the page is refreshed. This would ensure that the category would not be gamed, subsequently creating another type of leaderboard (monthly leaders, weekly leaders, etc).

    *Only active blogs will appear on the list. 'Active' would mean that user has logged in within 3 months. When said user logs in again after 3 months, their blog will once again appear in rotation after submitting a new blog post.

    *Other than this rotating list, no other part of the blog main page will be touched (Watched Blogs, Recent Posts, Newly Created Blogs will remain as is.) [If there is a consensus of problems with other areas, we will look at them next.]

    What do you all think about this?
I think this is probably the best news blogland has had in a very long time. Scrapping the infernal list will remove a major blight on the blogosphere and get rid of the biggest single source of trouble we experience here. Eliminating competitive blogging is a big step forward for the (genuine) online community with no downside as far as I can see.

I commend Community for taking the initiative in this matter, and thank Aryana for having the insight to recognise the issue and the courage to do something about it for the benefit of the vast majority of members who blog.

* I assume the removal of separation by profile gender will also facilitate inclusion of Couples and TG/TV/TS which further enhances the inclusivity of blogland going forward.

* Updating the page on every system refresh is an excellent idea, the new system should be as dynamic as possible to facilitate more options presented regularly and thus more widespread interaction.

* 'Active' blogs should be defined by activity on member's blog NOT by login history. There are many members who are still active, ie they login, but have not blogged for years... they should not appear on an 'active blogs' list as the blog is dormant although the member is still active. In this instance we are only interested in active blogs, not active members who once blogged. I suggest that an 'active blog' be defined as one that has been posted to by the member within the last 30 days (or at most 60 days)

* Watched Blogs/Newly Created Blogs/Most Recent Posts should be retained, although we need to be careful that the speed bloggers and members posting for points do not hog the Most Recent list.

* The question of the Most Active Recent Posts list does not appear to have been clarified... what is the proposal relating to this list ?? Whilst this list historically has not been the source of too many problems and does provide a useful resource in some ways, my concern is that with the abolition of the main list this list would become the focus for competitive bloggers and the old problems would manifest here. There may be a case for a section of 'trending' blogs, maybe those attracting most comments in (say) a 24 hour period, but again randomised, definitely not in 'chart' form... this would lead people to blogs where there is current debate, live and totally up to date (as at now) interaction going on. Anything that leads people to where the action is must be a good thing as long as we can avoid gaming. Not sure about this, be interested to know what people think on this one ???

Whatever system is put in place it must not be open to competition or gaming by even the most determined attention-seeker. These people go to ridiculous lengths to get attention and if any loophole is left they will exploit it, so opening up the discussion to what comes next to replace the current format is welcome, and vital that between us we get it right now that we have the opportunity.

I think it is important that we do not lose sight of the main thing here, getting rid of the main list... it is easy to get caught up in minutae, and the fact the no system is perfect, and even we members would not all agree on what is the best way forward. Simply put we want to abolish the main list, eliminate competitive blogging and gaming, whilst promoting exposure and interaction of the most diverse range of active blogs possible.

I would also urge members to ignore it when A.Twat comes along (incredibly hypocritically) championing a future situation where we have 'Most Popular.... ANYTHING !! Such ridiculous suggestions will only perpetuate and probably worsen our current situation, and one has to question the motivation behind such suggestions and look at the past behaviour here of the originator. Genuine, decent bloggers need to prevail here for the greater good of blogland.

Spirit6669
BLOG : Spirit6669 .. 21st Century Zen


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
5/12/2013 4:34 am

    Quoting Spirit6669:
    I think this is probably the best news blogland has had in a very long time. Scrapping the infernal list will remove a major blight on the blogosphere and get rid of the biggest single source of trouble we experience here. Eliminating competitive blogging is a big step forward for the (genuine) online community with no downside as far as I can see.

    I commend Community for taking the initiative in this matter, and thank Aryana for having the insight to recognise the issue and the courage to do something about it for the benefit of the vast majority of members who blog.

    * I assume the removal of separation by profile gender will also facilitate inclusion of Couples and TG/TV/TS which further enhances the inclusivity of blogland going forward.

    * Updating the page on every system refresh is an excellent idea, the new system should be as dynamic as possible to facilitate more options presented regularly and thus more widespread interaction.

    * 'Active' blogs should be defined by activity on member's blog NOT by login history. There are many members who are still active, ie they login, but have not blogged for years... they should not appear on an 'active blogs' list as the blog is dormant although the member is still active. In this instance we are only interested in active blogs, not active members who once blogged. I suggest that an 'active blog' be defined as one that has been posted to by the member within the last 30 days (or at most 60 days)

    * Watched Blogs/Newly Created Blogs/Most Recent Posts should be retained, although we need to be careful that the speed bloggers and members posting for points do not hog the Most Recent list.

    * The question of the Most Active Recent Posts list does not appear to have been clarified... what is the proposal relating to this list ?? Whilst this list historically has not been the source of too many problems and does provide a useful resource in some ways, my concern is that with the abolition of the main list this list would become the focus for competitive bloggers and the old problems would manifest here. There may be a case for a section of 'trending' blogs, maybe those attracting most comments in (say) a 24 hour period, but again randomised, definitely not in 'chart' form... this would lead people to blogs where there is current debate, live and totally up to date (as at now) interaction going on. Anything that leads people to where the action is must be a good thing as long as we can avoid gaming. Not sure about this, be interested to know what people think on this one ???

    Whatever system is put in place it must not be open to competition or gaming by even the most determined attention-seeker. These people go to ridiculous lengths to get attention and if any loophole is left they will exploit it, so opening up the discussion to what comes next to replace the current format is welcome, and vital that between us we get it right now that we have the opportunity.

    I think it is important that we do not lose sight of the main thing here, getting rid of the main list... it is easy to get caught up in minutae, and the fact the no system is perfect, and even we members would not all agree on what is the best way forward. Simply put we want to abolish the main list, eliminate competitive blogging and gaming, whilst promoting exposure and interaction of the most diverse range of active blogs possible.

    I would also urge members to ignore it when A.Twat comes along (incredibly hypocritically) championing a future situation where we have 'Most Popular.... ANYTHING !! Such ridiculous suggestions will only perpetuate and probably worsen our current situation, and one has to question the motivation behind such suggestions and look at the past behaviour here of the originator. Genuine, decent bloggers need to prevail here for the greater good of blogland.
Sometimes dear fellow, just occasionally ye ken, you make the most outstanding sense!


traveljunkie13 56F
11089 posts
5/12/2013 6:31 am

    Quoting Spirit6669:
    I think this is probably the best news blogland has had in a very long time. Scrapping the infernal list will remove a major blight on the blogosphere and get rid of the biggest single source of trouble we experience here. Eliminating competitive blogging is a big step forward for the (genuine) online community with no downside as far as I can see.

    I commend Community for taking the initiative in this matter, and thank Aryana for having the insight to recognise the issue and the courage to do something about it for the benefit of the vast majority of members who blog.

    * I assume the removal of separation by profile gender will also facilitate inclusion of Couples and TG/TV/TS which further enhances the inclusivity of blogland going forward.

    * Updating the page on every system refresh is an excellent idea, the new system should be as dynamic as possible to facilitate more options presented regularly and thus more widespread interaction.

    * 'Active' blogs should be defined by activity on member's blog NOT by login history. There are many members who are still active, ie they login, but have not blogged for years... they should not appear on an 'active blogs' list as the blog is dormant although the member is still active. In this instance we are only interested in active blogs, not active members who once blogged. I suggest that an 'active blog' be defined as one that has been posted to by the member within the last 30 days (or at most 60 days)

    * Watched Blogs/Newly Created Blogs/Most Recent Posts should be retained, although we need to be careful that the speed bloggers and members posting for points do not hog the Most Recent list.

    * The question of the Most Active Recent Posts list does not appear to have been clarified... what is the proposal relating to this list ?? Whilst this list historically has not been the source of too many problems and does provide a useful resource in some ways, my concern is that with the abolition of the main list this list would become the focus for competitive bloggers and the old problems would manifest here. There may be a case for a section of 'trending' blogs, maybe those attracting most comments in (say) a 24 hour period, but again randomised, definitely not in 'chart' form... this would lead people to blogs where there is current debate, live and totally up to date (as at now) interaction going on. Anything that leads people to where the action is must be a good thing as long as we can avoid gaming. Not sure about this, be interested to know what people think on this one ???

    Whatever system is put in place it must not be open to competition or gaming by even the most determined attention-seeker. These people go to ridiculous lengths to get attention and if any loophole is left they will exploit it, so opening up the discussion to what comes next to replace the current format is welcome, and vital that between us we get it right now that we have the opportunity.

    I think it is important that we do not lose sight of the main thing here, getting rid of the main list... it is easy to get caught up in minutae, and the fact the no system is perfect, and even we members would not all agree on what is the best way forward. Simply put we want to abolish the main list, eliminate competitive blogging and gaming, whilst promoting exposure and interaction of the most diverse range of active blogs possible.

    I would also urge members to ignore it when A.Twat comes along (incredibly hypocritically) championing a future situation where we have 'Most Popular.... ANYTHING !! Such ridiculous suggestions will only perpetuate and probably worsen our current situation, and one has to question the motivation behind such suggestions and look at the past behaviour here of the originator. Genuine, decent bloggers need to prevail here for the greater good of blogland.
Yep! What you said!


traveljunkie13 56F
11089 posts
5/12/2013 6:32 am

    Quoting  :

You're funny


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
5/12/2013 7:49 am

I'm going to appeal for calm, and make a plea to everyone reading the post and the comments, and to those leaving comments:- please try not to use this post as an opportunity to attack other bloggers. I may already have made that mistake here earlier, and for that I apologise.

So, the main point to this post is what we as a community want to do with the list(s). This is a golden opportunity to make possibly the most positive change in the ville of blog for a long time, so please, please, please let's all work together to take advantage of such a fabulous opportunity to influence the direction of the community as a whole. We don't get this chance very often, please let's all grasp it and make it work?

Whichever way one looks at this, it's quite clear that all of the popularity lists are a source of drama, upset and hurt. It doesn't matter whether that' the intention, it is simply a fact. There's clearly a huge majority of voters in favour of rotation. Aryana suggests having a single randomised list. Defining what 'active blog' means seems to to be the only consistent comment back on that proposal.

So, doea this not therefore fit everyone's bill, or at least that of the vast majority?

Presumably the 6 most active blogs will remain on the Community main page? That way the top bloggers will still be highlighted, so does that not therefore satisfy them?

What a chance we've been given here to free up even more space, remove the shackles of competitve blogging, make it a more inclusive and approachable space for all. Can we no' just keep the heid and get on wi' it??


LadyGrayLeopard 63F
26369 posts
5/12/2013 9:46 am

    Quoting  :


Cannot be sure which bloggers or post you're referring to as we are not following many same blogs (and don't fully understand your conclusions) but could guess some of those posts:
they were about CONVERSATION, being WITTY, having SENSE OF HUMOUR, focusing on PEOPLE, having real INTERACTION.

And that conversation goes on no matter what the ranking on the lists is.

Sorry, what's abusive in this!!!????!!!!

Why on Earth only those blogs and bloggers 'approved by you' are 'allowed' have active followers = those who read, comment, participate in discussion with each other.

This site is for Adult Fun, some are able to enjoy of that in Various (Inc.) ways

But you are right, just like yourself have noticed:
top bloggers come and go, little people like me, the normal bloggers continue... as we have no stress... we blog when we like and what we like... no need to consider any ranking...

As long as the interaction is there. On equal basis.


sexysixties2 106F
39750 posts
5/12/2013 10:50 am

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    I'm going to appeal for calm, and make a plea to everyone reading the post and the comments, and to those leaving comments:- please try not to use this post as an opportunity to attack other bloggers. I may already have made that mistake here earlier, and for that I apologise.

    So, the main point to this post is what we as a community want to do with the list(s). This is a golden opportunity to make possibly the most positive change in the ville of blog for a long time, so please, please, please let's all work together to take advantage of such a fabulous opportunity to influence the direction of the community as a whole. We don't get this chance very often, please let's all grasp it and make it work?

    Whichever way one looks at this, it's quite clear that all of the popularity lists are a source of drama, upset and hurt. It doesn't matter whether that' the intention, it is simply a fact. There's clearly a huge majority of voters in favour of rotation. Aryana suggests having a single randomised list. Defining what 'active blog' means seems to to be the only consistent comment back on that proposal.

    So, doea this not therefore fit everyone's bill, or at least that of the vast majority?

    Presumably the 6 most active blogs will remain on the Community main page? That way the top bloggers will still be highlighted, so does that not therefore satisfy them?

    What a chance we've been given here to free up even more space, remove the shackles of competitve blogging, make it a more inclusive and approachable space for all. Can we no' just keep the heid and get on wi' it??
I quite agree.

I think it is very sad to see comments criticising other bloggers here on a poll which has shown that the majority of the people who have voted here want to move forward with a change in the current system of "showcasing" blogs so that the blogs we see on the main page are fully representative of all active blogs.

Critical remarks about hatred, abuse, bashing bloggers and harassment are not conducive to friendly, fun blogging and should not be given air time here. If anyone wants to express their views on these or indeed on other matters not directly related to the poll perhaps they should keep their opinions for their own blogs. This is not the place to hurl insults at each other.


"Age does not protect you from love, but love, to some extent, protects you from age."

~~Anais Nin~~


FullOn4U 58M
20399 posts
5/12/2013 12:22 pm

"The blogs need some point to draw attention to posts
that attract a lot of responses"

Not too sure about that...

"because those posts obviously have something
that people enjoy and feel is worthy of responding to"

Putting aside the fact that popularity is no guarantee of quality, surely if those posts are so popular then people have already found them? And a lot of people comment on them only because a lot of other people have already commented on them...

Indeed there is an argument that diverting attention to these posts only furthers their "popularity" at the expense of worthier posts that go unnoticed - which is precisely the argument for rotating lists, which most people favour.

However, I have to admit that I don't use the most popular post or blogger lists. I find blogs and posts by myself without needing to be directed to the ones that other people like, because as I said popularity is no indicator of quality and just because a lot of other people like something doesn't mean I will... think McD's cheeseburgers

But I can see that some people enjoy competitive blogging, and it's not for me to tell them that they shouldn't. The popularity lists provide these competitive bloggers with their league tables, so I can see why they'd want to keep them.

And to be honest it doesn't bother me - the drama associated to those lists is generally restricted to the people who think they are important...


LadyGrayLeopard 63F
26369 posts
5/12/2013 1:54 pm

    Quoting FullOn4U:
    Go to "Browse by Location".

    At the top of the page on the left will be Blogs>World>Europe>Which-ever-country-you-live-in

    Click on Europe

    Then you have the list of top European bloggers and the list of most recent European posts and new blogs

    As SexySixties asked... would this be changed with rotation?
That would be a good option - if it worked properly...
Just took a pic of the results showing the whole world.

Not what you'd expect to see...


QUEENBEEV 59F
4200 posts
5/12/2013 5:10 pm

    Quoting  :

I didn't know that endless posts about "rate my whatever" is considered to be "quality blogging"

Come on now.

I could have almost agreed with you til I saw that! You seem to only like to garner opinions about yourself from other bloggers...90% of which are slobbering men.

At least tell the truth about why you like being on top of the list.

Because you like feeling superior to everyone else.

Reading back through your posts over the years...have shown a definite repeat of certain "rate my" posts...peppered with a few posts here and there about something that someone "might" actually want to read! I used to read your blog...and most of the time when I posted there...you totally ignored me...and then blocked me when I dared to say something you didn't like...boo hoo.

We all like to have people interact with us...that's why we're here. Don't pretend blogging is God's work...sheesh!

My two cents...for what it's worth.

Come on over...let's play in my Castle! The hide and seek is awesome!

RATEYOURSELF


Spirit6669 58M
2234 posts
5/13/2013 4:50 am

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    I'm going to appeal for calm, and make a plea to everyone reading the post and the comments, and to those leaving comments:- please try not to use this post as an opportunity to attack other bloggers. I may already have made that mistake here earlier, and for that I apologise.

    So, the main point to this post is what we as a community want to do with the list(s). This is a golden opportunity to make possibly the most positive change in the ville of blog for a long time, so please, please, please let's all work together to take advantage of such a fabulous opportunity to influence the direction of the community as a whole. We don't get this chance very often, please let's all grasp it and make it work?

    Whichever way one looks at this, it's quite clear that all of the popularity lists are a source of drama, upset and hurt. It doesn't matter whether that' the intention, it is simply a fact. There's clearly a huge majority of voters in favour of rotation. Aryana suggests having a single randomised list. Defining what 'active blog' means seems to to be the only consistent comment back on that proposal.

    So, doea this not therefore fit everyone's bill, or at least that of the vast majority?

    Presumably the 6 most active blogs will remain on the Community main page? That way the top bloggers will still be highlighted, so does that not therefore satisfy them?

    What a chance we've been given here to free up even more space, remove the shackles of competitve blogging, make it a more inclusive and approachable space for all. Can we no' just keep the heid and get on wi' it??
Can we please stick to the point !!!

I have to agree with McSkirt (though obviously it pains me to do so )

We need to have an adult, rational discussion about the issue here and not allow this to deteriorate into a shit-slinging bitchfest. The outcome of this discussion is too important to the future of blogland to be sidetracked by people's personal agendas with other individuals, so can we all please suspend hostilities for the duration of this consultation process and keep opinions quiet for a moment which do not relate to the vote and brainstorm her,e and do not belong on this post.

This discussion is mainly being conducted by long time members and experienced bloggers who understand the importance on this issue because of what they have witnessed over the years, I would hope that we can all be responsible and level-headed enough to see the fantastic opportunity we have here and behave accordingly in order to make sure this process stays on track.

I think the course of this post and the rancour merely reinforces why we need to change the structure of blog lists... We have the opportunity here to achieve something very worthwhile, something that many of you have been calling for for years.. let's not screw it up... I call for your co-operation here !!

Many of you know me well enough to know how hard it is for me not to take the piss at some of the comments here ! But I'm holding back and sticking to the point... although it's killing me ...if I can do it so can you Please !

Spirit6669
BLOG : Spirit6669 .. 21st Century Zen


Spirit6669 58M
2234 posts
5/13/2013 4:51 am

    Quoting Spirit6669:
    I think this is probably the best news blogland has had in a very long time. Scrapping the infernal list will remove a major blight on the blogosphere and get rid of the biggest single source of trouble we experience here. Eliminating competitive blogging is a big step forward for the (genuine) online community with no downside as far as I can see.

    I commend Community for taking the initiative in this matter, and thank Aryana for having the insight to recognise the issue and the courage to do something about it for the benefit of the vast majority of members who blog.

    * I assume the removal of separation by profile gender will also facilitate inclusion of Couples and TG/TV/TS which further enhances the inclusivity of blogland going forward.

    * Updating the page on every system refresh is an excellent idea, the new system should be as dynamic as possible to facilitate more options presented regularly and thus more widespread interaction.

    * 'Active' blogs should be defined by activity on member's blog NOT by login history. There are many members who are still active, ie they login, but have not blogged for years... they should not appear on an 'active blogs' list as the blog is dormant although the member is still active. In this instance we are only interested in active blogs, not active members who once blogged. I suggest that an 'active blog' be defined as one that has been posted to by the member within the last 30 days (or at most 60 days)

    * Watched Blogs/Newly Created Blogs/Most Recent Posts should be retained, although we need to be careful that the speed bloggers and members posting for points do not hog the Most Recent list.

    * The question of the Most Active Recent Posts list does not appear to have been clarified... what is the proposal relating to this list ?? Whilst this list historically has not been the source of too many problems and does provide a useful resource in some ways, my concern is that with the abolition of the main list this list would become the focus for competitive bloggers and the old problems would manifest here. There may be a case for a section of 'trending' blogs, maybe those attracting most comments in (say) a 24 hour period, but again randomised, definitely not in 'chart' form... this would lead people to blogs where there is current debate, live and totally up to date (as at now) interaction going on. Anything that leads people to where the action is must be a good thing as long as we can avoid gaming. Not sure about this, be interested to know what people think on this one ???

    Whatever system is put in place it must not be open to competition or gaming by even the most determined attention-seeker. These people go to ridiculous lengths to get attention and if any loophole is left they will exploit it, so opening up the discussion to what comes next to replace the current format is welcome, and vital that between us we get it right now that we have the opportunity.

    I think it is important that we do not lose sight of the main thing here, getting rid of the main list... it is easy to get caught up in minutae, and the fact the no system is perfect, and even we members would not all agree on what is the best way forward. Simply put we want to abolish the main list, eliminate competitive blogging and gaming, whilst promoting exposure and interaction of the most diverse range of active blogs possible.

    I would also urge members to ignore it when A.Twat comes along (incredibly hypocritically) championing a future situation where we have 'Most Popular.... ANYTHING !! Such ridiculous suggestions will only perpetuate and probably worsen our current situation, and one has to question the motivation behind such suggestions and look at the past behaviour here of the originator. Genuine, decent bloggers need to prevail here for the greater good of blogland.
Just to recap, the point here goes something like this !

Thanks

Spirit6669
BLOG : Spirit6669 .. 21st Century Zen


FullOn4U 58M
20399 posts
5/13/2013 8:18 am

    Quoting community:
    Thank you everyone for your comments so far.

    As of right now, there is no exact plan of what this would look like, so this is a good place to brainstorm about how a new list could function. Here is how I believe it should behave, to be most fair to all bloggers, regardless of frequency of activity:

    *There would be a singular, randomized list, no longer separated by profile gender.

    *The list would rotate whenever the page is refreshed. This would ensure that the category would not be gamed, subsequently creating another type of leaderboard (monthly leaders, weekly leaders, etc).

    *Only active blogs will appear on the list. 'Active' would mean that user has logged in within 3 months. When said user logs in again after 3 months, their blog will once again appear in rotation after submitting a new blog post.

    *Other than this rotating list, no other part of the blog main page will be touched (Watched Blogs, Recent Posts, Newly Created Blogs will remain as is.) [If there is a consensus of problems with other areas, we will look at them next.]

    What do you all think about this?
In the interest of sanity, and to avoid the Abuse Department being inundated with complaints, could we just go with Aryana's suggestion for rotating the blogs, with the minor modification that activity is based on blog updates, not user login?

Maybe some time in the future we can revisit the most popular post issue, when people have calmed down enough to have a rational debate...


FullOn4U 58M
20399 posts
5/13/2013 9:55 am



150 (approximate) votes from 3000 (approximate) views is 5%

However the number of views does not correspond to the number of individual viewers! I've viewed this post more than once - in fact more like 10 times. I expect most people have.

150 votes from 300 viewers is 50% - getting close to the turnout for an American presidential election!


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
5/13/2013 9:56 am

Over 3000 views, wow, that's incredible! Though I'm probably responsible for at least 50 of those myself, I care about this community and the general well-being and happiness hereabouts, so the subject matter would naturally be of interest to me.

Wouldn't it be great if everyone didn't care about the lists, wouldn't the ville of blog would be a far happier place? The facts remain though:- drama, upset and hurt are inherent features of these popularity lists. And perhaps it's the problems they cause rather than the lists that people do care about? I'm not entirely sure of the answer there, but I do know that here with this post we have a fantastic opportunity to change things for the better.

The drama surrounding the lists doesn't appear to be restricted to European bloggers. I'm aware of many blog friends, neighbours and observers in the USA, for example, who are variously disgruntled, heartily sick of and alienated by the behaviours surrounding the lists. Notwithstanding that, it's perhaps not a bad suggestion to change the list only for European based bloggers, but it seems a little unfair on our north American friends that they should still be subjected to such drama and nonsense while we get away scot free? (Pun intended! )

As you can see Aryana, it would appear that the only significant and consistent comment on your summary of the proposal is the definition of 'active bloggers'. The main concern appears to be that the rotated list should comprise bloggers who have been active (as in uploaded a post or posts) within a relatively recent timeframe, say 30 days (or 60 days). Assuming it's possible to restrict the rotated list on that basis, and bearing in mind both the huge majority in favour of the rotated list and that even the top blogger has stated that she doesn't care about the current popularity list, can we assume that you will move forward on the basis of a singular randomised list of active bloggers, and implement a change as soon as possible? Please?


traveljunkie13 56F
11089 posts
5/13/2013 12:17 pm

It seems a bit unreliable to try and correlate views of a post with votes on a poll. Clearly, when you look at the actual votes, the majority are in favor of having the lists rotate.

I think it's a fair and reasonable assessment to say that many of the views on this post are from members, such as myself, who are following the conversation around this topic.

I also think that having a separate European list is rather ludicrous. There is no need to further segregate or divide the blogs. We already have a system in place to view blogs from a specific region or country. The key question here was simply about rotating the list of blogs so more bloggers could be recognized and develop a following of interested readers.


ak_bigbadwolf3 51M
2630 posts
5/13/2013 1:46 pm

    Quoting community:
    Thank you everyone for your comments so far.

    As of right now, there is no exact plan of what this would look like, so this is a good place to brainstorm about how a new list could function. Here is how I believe it should behave, to be most fair to all bloggers, regardless of frequency of activity:

    *There would be a singular, randomized list, no longer separated by profile gender.

    *The list would rotate whenever the page is refreshed. This would ensure that the category would not be gamed, subsequently creating another type of leaderboard (monthly leaders, weekly leaders, etc).

    *Only active blogs will appear on the list. 'Active' would mean that user has logged in within 3 months. When said user logs in again after 3 months, their blog will once again appear in rotation after submitting a new blog post.

    *Other than this rotating list, no other part of the blog main page will be touched (Watched Blogs, Recent Posts, Newly Created Blogs will remain as is.) [If there is a consensus of problems with other areas, we will look at them next.]

    What do you all think about this?
The only issue I can see with this is the removal of the gender separation, Lets be honest guys usually don't read guys blogs so basically what will happen is that you will never see a male blog it will be buried under all the female blogs no matter what you do.

Don't compromise yourself! You are all you've got!


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
5/13/2013 2:18 pm

    Quoting ak_bigbadwolf3:
    The only issue I can see with this is the removal of the gender separation, Lets be honest guys usually don't read guys blogs so basically what will happen is that you will never see a male blog it will be buried under all the female blogs no matter what you do.
A very good point McBig! I think the idea is to completely randomise the list, no gender bias, so I wonder if, with many more male than female bloggers, the reverse would be true, would we ever see any of the ladies/TV/TG on the list!


LadyGrayLeopard 63F
26369 posts
5/13/2013 4:15 pm

At this moment the situation is very clear:

Yes, I would like to see a rotating list...125
No, the list should remain static............8
I don't care either way.....................17
Other (explain in comments)..................2

Total Votes 152

Only 8 clearly against rotating list.

I don't dare to put any percentage here as the European way to calculate seems to be quite different from the American.

No need for a special list for Europe (well, we won't be fighting even if there was a list...), perhaps not for America either (I doubt there already is a special list for America, what ever that then means, the South and Central America too?) - but would be fine to see also a total list!

Just as a reminder that this is international, world wide site

Not all of us are native English speakers, there are all kinds of nationalities, languages and cultures represented on this site!

Hope you manage to make up some kind of solution...
And thanks for the good work


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